You are also assuming he doesnt fall off a cliff statistically like Trevor Rogers this year where he went from a 2.64 ERA to 5.47 ERA or for the analytical types he went from a 2.55 FIP (2021) to 4.36 FIP (2022). Hard to see that from a FO willing to let Freddie walk and who have Vaughn Grissom, a natural SS, ready to go. Thats $83M and even then I think those are totally unattainable, even if he won 2 Cy Young Awards and went to the All-Star game every year and what does that save the Braves $11M? I dont really comprehend the LOL. Conversely, How about them Mets? By Steve Adams | October 10, 2022 at 11:03pm CDT. A Super Two is in the top 22 percent (in terms of service time not performance) of all players in their service class during the offseason that they have at least 2 but less than 3 years of service time. Paying for velo in todays game where everyone throws hard, is like paying $25M/year for Kiermaier to win GGs in CF. 2. Tyler Wells gets his first start of the spring against Spencer Strider. Strider will qualify for Super Two, so he will get 4 years of arbitration and if next season is close to 2022 then its going to be between the current first year arb record for a starting pitcher of $9.5 million and Bellingers $11.5 million figure. If that happens, he will have 2 years and 3 days of service time. GM of the year imo. The estimates above are crazy. Baez 14.5 WAR A fourth-round gem in the extremely truncated 2020 draft (five rounds), Strider skyrocketed through the Braves system despite a lack of minor league games in 2020, ultimately making his Major League debut late in the 2021 season. View a free mock draft analysis of a fantasy baseball league featuring 4 teams in a STD format. Baseball Almanac is pleased to present a unique . DMC: Lol all you want, but Baez is nowhere near the hitter Swanson is. I dont mute your kind, but I wont bother reading your insult laden rants in the future. These deals also help lower the luxury tax hit down the road. Please login to leave a reply. Youll find that its a similar sounding word to allude. There is a reason pitchers are not given long term deals because it is more risky than giving those deals to hitters because of injury and even then, the hitters rarely justify the extensions. Strider was added to the Atlanta active roster on October 1, 2021, and made his main league debut with one inning of relief against the New York Mets. Thing is Baez/Story both have been more consistent with their bats (even Baez, lol), while providing defensive value. Not great to sign long term deals to declining players. To my point, if we arent sure Friend and Burnes will make $27.5M, why would anyone guarantee it to a rookie with next to no track record, when the over is so little. No Gavin Lux -- big problem. Spencer Strider is one of the best young pitchers in the Atlanta Braves organization. Born: For reference, Kris Bryant was a lock to be a Super Two because he finished 2017 with 2 years and 171 days of service time. Say it once, see it 4-5 times. This is why Swanson will end up in LAD replacing Trea Turner, while theyll save 80-100M, reuniting Swansong with Freeman, and more importantly, Charlie. I picked it as a horse race, with the Mets tending to fall apart thanks to an old rotation and an old team, that would have trouble down the stretch. Its a league funded thing that every team will chip into $1.66 mil regardless. After that 5-2 win over the Philadelphia Phillies, Strider told the team he didn't feel right. He has only 1 All-Star appearance, 2 Gold Gloves, and 1 Silver Slugger. 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The lowest the cutoff has been since 2009 is 2.115. So the only time he could qualify for Super 2 status is after 2023. All information these cookies collect is aggregated and therefore anonymous. Seems like a good deal for both sides. The volatility is too high. As a Yankee fan, Im much more resentful of the Yankees keeping their YES Network off of all of the streaming services except Direct TV. Should just stop there because even mentioning that website shows a complete disconnection from reality. Striders a freak athlete whos constantly striving to better his performance by physical training and analytic advancements. Balance has been restored, and that means everyone taking part in a Head-to-Head points salary cap draft may actually want to do his own thing again. The specific cutoff date varies on a year-to-year basis. Jealousys an ugly emotion. Cano signed with Seattle, the Mets were just dumb enough to trade for him. From the official MLB site: To qualify for the Super Two designation, players must rank in the top 22 percent, in terms of service time, among those who have amassed between two and three years in the Majors. It doesnt benefit both parties, Alex A. is a moron that has signed so many extensions that even with all the great deals he got done, the average $$$ is pushing $180M after only 15 of the contracts. Baez/Story trending down, Swanson up. Later in the season, he missed the season due to a torn UCL, which necessitated Tommy John surgery. You are making a lot of wild assumptions. Like the saying goes, if dreams were horses, beggars would ride. A multi-billion dollar industry should not make 1/12 of a billion dollar decisions based on data that is significantly colored with ifs and maybes. Braves put RHP Strider on IL with oblique strain, Scherzer tries to test pitch clock limits, gets balk, Jays' Guerrero to miss WBC with inflamed knee, Rangers, LHP Smith agree to 1-year, $1.5M deal, 7 Cubs combine for 1st spring no-no since 2017, Jays 'playing it safe' after Guerrero tweaks knee, PitchCom-tipping: Loud device leaks Twins calls, Eflin's first start after $40M deal impresses Rays. Youd think some of these young Braves players would want to bet on themselves by waiting a few years. Though for the sake of my Mets, I hope they penny pinch and let him walk, haha. The Braves dont seem to pay for peak seasons from post-prime age players, especially not at SS, which is about the easiest position to put a cheap, 2 WAR floor under, given fielding peaks in players early 20s. the Braves just paid $35 mil for 1 free agent year of Strider The lot of before money is hopeful at best. Won a World Series last year. Hes top ten talent. With future commitments, he still has a lot to accomplish in his life. Overall, Strider broke out with 131 2/3 innings of 2.67 ERA ball and a 38.3% strikeout rate that paced all big leaguers who pitched at least 100 innings. With pitchers, it seems every one goes down with season ending shoulder, elbow and back injuries. @Run. That means $36 million for each of the two seasons. Jurrjens was a Tiger in his rookie season and put up a 3.68 ERA while striking out just 6.6 per 9 in his first season with the Braves. Super Two only applies when they have at least approximately 2/3 of a year of service time but less than a full season to where the team gets almost seven years of control (like the infamous Kris Bryant example) instead of slightly over six as in Striders case. Are you trying to evade someone or are you incapable of understanding the difference between elude and allude. Plenty that rep for other teams. But since they extended him this is obviously all moot. Love numbers, very structured, feel a level of entitlement with your degree, but your education built knowledge in a subsection of society that doesnt resonate with people outside your industry, so you come off like a pompous no-it-all, but really you have no true foundational advanced level education to help you structure arguments or support your statements! The league never would agree to that. 6/120 is light, based on his defensive floor. @bravesnation nc Not my recollection at all, friend. Was hoping this thread would continue without trolls insulting one another instead of adding actual substance to their argument. $1M (2024) He quickly established himself as one of the teams hardest fastball players. October 28, 1998 While Strider was certainly pleased with the contract, the satisfaction he felt Monday extended to the fact that it appears he will be available to pitch in some role during the NLDS, which begins on Tuesday against the Phillies. The point of early extensions is to create financial flexibility, not to lock yourself into just a few core players. So Ill do another one for you since you didnt like my Fried example. Wow. So obviously the imaginary extra year of arb isnt getting us anywhere near. By the way, dont tell me what to I can or cant link to for reference, furthermore, people dont rewrite the same theories every year! If he has any hope of living up to this contract, Strider will have to play the whole year on the MLB roster for 2023 without injuries. Before joining MLB, he was the top freshman at Clemson in 2018 and later missed the . 11h. Atlanta Braves Newsstand Transactions Spencer Strider, This makes 0 sense when the Braves controlled him for 5 years through arb anyway. The idea that getting only modest performance for $20m in the last 3 years of the deal will hurt the Braves much at all, though, doesnt follow. That 4th year is going to be around $30 million and his FA is going to be more than that. And like I said before, he wouldnt even qualify for the ERA title. Career earnings will be less than $20M for his first full 5 seasons in the majors. Players dont sign extensions to be traded. If you swap those times it would be a 1pm local start in LA, at least this way its a 4pm local start in ATL. Some young players start off with a bang and then quickly regress (think of Miguel Andujar with the NYY) while other players (especially pitchers) can get hurt and be out for more than a full season. Hopefully he also didnt mean Scherzer, one terrible wildcard game from an elite pitcher like him still doesnt make him crap. Walk rate down to a career low while his K rate is basically at a career high. Really mature young man. Adding that extra year of service time will make him eligible. @BaseballIsLife Thats not what the rule is. So say he has an impingement, needs surgery, and turns into a 4 ERA SP who goes 120 innings a yearabout the worst case for a dominant 23 year old. $200 per post at $10/CPM. Its an expensive extension by prior standards, but as I noted in the finalized version of our breakdown, the prior standards were beyond antiquated. Sure there is a chance that the Braves might save $20 million plus if Strider becomes an ace, but they are far more likely to waste $20 million plus if he doesnt. If Free Agents make $40M in five years, if hes healthy, if he remains productive. Spencer Strider had 202 strikeouts last season and 202 strikeouts over his career. Many thanks to him. "And go out and keep doing what we've been doing.". $22M (2027) They are very pleased to pay him. In your case, the look that you should recognize for all the times you see it with that kind of personality is disgust followed by derisive laughter. I see Grissom in the outfield with Harris/Acuna next year. Good thing Shane Spencer wasnt on the Braves for 2 months this season, they wouldve given him $100m. As a positional player I would be more likely to bet on myself but as a power pitcher I would take a deal with life changing money at my first opportunity. Its a win-win. Strider already had TJS while he was still at Clemson. These cookies are necessary for the website to function and cannot be switched off in our systems. 2 top 5 MVP finishes before his first 2 arb seasons. Love the extension deal for a young guy. Mychal Givens, the only one of the Orioles healthy relievers who [] He was also selected as the July National League Rookie of the Month. Comedic relief regularly inserted by some sneaky good commenters. Team Date Transaction; November 14, 2022: Atlanta Braves activated RHP Spencer Strider. You can project him to approach or even set some combination of Arb1, Arb2 and Arb3 records, and Strider would still probably come in under $50MM and thats assuming health and sustained dominance. In a general sense, the Harris deal is a great one, and Riley. Theyll probably lose even more money on those years than they gain with the discount on the one or two free agent years, which probably would only be worth $30M max per season even if everything goes mostly right for him. How much do you think 2 seasons of an ace in his prime would cost, when you dont have to buy his decline years in order to get the heart of his career? But most importantly it sets bad precedent for the rest of the league for one team to save a few million dollars. Think hes still representing himself. Let's check, How Rich is Efra, Duane Theiss estimated Net Worth, Biography, Age, Height, Dating, Relationship Records, Salary, Income, Cars, Lifestyles & many more details have been updated below. Judge is a high strikeout guy whose average is buoyed by his homerun total. Besides, they could just as easily lock up those years of free agency at a somewhat higher but much less risky price by just waiting a year or two to make sure hes for real. The only IF is whether hell stay healthy and productive enough to earn the money. Because he is going to be in top 2 of ROY voting which gives him an extra year of service time. Its not close. And 2.003 years is nowhere near enough to qualify as a Super Two. Shewmake is about ready though and they could sign a veteran cheap to platoon with him or just keep Dansby and use Shewmake as trade bait. In Braves speak, that means hes hitting FA. The contract, which covers the 2023-28 seasons, also contains a $22MM club option for the 2029 season. Love to see it for the player, team and the fan base. His market will drive up the price being one of the only 2nd tier options (behind pricier Boegarts, Trea Turner; Correa shouldnt opt out). The problem is they still have the potential to either end up in the bleachers or the nose-bleed sections, or even if they get great seats behind homeplate, they are still losing nearly 30% on the gamble. They help us to know which pages are the most and least popular and see how visitors move around the site. The Braves should evaluate Swanson based on his last 3 healthy seasons of play. If you give 7 a six year deal that takes him through his age 35 season. The Braves have zero middle infield prospects on their top 4 mil teams. Thats not to say every pitcher with between one and four years of service time will now require $75MM+ to sign an extension, of course; Striders case as a Rookie of the Year frontrunner and budding ace is far from the norm. Im a huge mets fan but the braves are the best run organization in baseball by far. The Braves are a Smart Proactive Organization. Hey, do you think the Braves bite the bullet and pay Swanson? $12M (2025) Question, Comment, Feedback, or Correction? But how good is this example? Im pretty sure these always lean more favorably to position players. Unless youre LA, NY or Boston, you play early. Its not if Strider has TJ surgery, but when he will have it. Hes a big union guy. If youre going to belittle someone while claiming to have knowledge of their inferior educational level, you should probably try spelling your insults correctly. Only one thing is certain: his grandmother is a huge Cleveland Indians fan. Genuinely curious. Ambioris Tavarez, SS 11. Period. Imo, hes got the Braves over a barrel because they have absolutely no in house alternatives to replace him. Ask Trevor Rogers who faceplanted in 2022. One thing is certain: he divides his time between the four MLB teams. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/super-two-status-set-at-2-116-years-of-service.html. ~$15M (Arb2) Has to be mostly geographic. Will make luxury tax teams wary of him. $1MM for each of the 23 and 24 season is a bargain. That kind of evaluation has gotten the Tigers and Red Sox stuck w/those two. $10M (2025) If he is 2nd in ROY he gets huge bonuses and STILL qualifies for Super Two. Shewmakes going to be lucky to carve out a career as a utility player for a 2nd Division team. The only way he wouldnt is with a long demotion next year. Data Provided By To qualify for the Super Two designation, players must rank in the top 22 percent, in terms of service time, among those who have amassed between two and three years in the Majors. Atlanta, of course, had previously already signed outfielder Ronald Acuna Jr. and second baseman Ozzie Albies to club-friendly extensions. Its all the projections every year. PinkFloyed is also excellent. Hes not 65 and 230 lbs. The Braves have extended yet another key member of their impressive young core, this time announcing a six-year, $75MM contract for right-hander Spencer Strider. Theres a reason Cohen has the money he has, and it isnt by being a fool October? You just need to have an Apple account and either a computer or smartphone to access the verification code. Btw, Max Fried and Kyle Wright arent garbage. Sunday marked the first time Strider had thrown off a mound since his Sept. 18 start against Philadelphia. Kris Bryant and Cody Bellinger were Super Twos, for instance, being arb eligible four times as opposed to the usual three. J.R. Ritchie, RHP 3. if they waited another year or two like you say, none of this would be possible with the Braves payroll. All logos are the trademark & property of their owners and not Sports Reference LLC. As much as the Acuna and Albies deals were highway robbery they still havent been good cause theyve been hurt or half what they were. He only hit the first two weeks he was up. He earned his initial schooling at the Christian Academy of Knoxville in Knoxville, Tennessee. Also Read, Tom Stenberg, Cyrus Michael Christopher Dancy, and Morgane Stapleton. Does AA hypnotize these guys agents when theyre in the waiting room? The only way this deal makes sense is if he becomes an inner-circle Hall-of-Fame pitcher who is the greatest pitcher of our generation. Well put DMC. $14M (2026) For a full look at the Braves' 2022 postseason schedule, click here. Then you wont be signing him. establishing the players relationship through goodwill too for the future. YOU HAVE 20,000 FOLLOWERS: $100 per post at a $5/CPM. He divides his timing between the four MLB teams, but one thing is certain. I hope we dont give Swanson more than 3 years, even if the AAV has to be high. Not to sound too negative, since there are also positives in his hitting profile, but Id have concerns going too long term with him. They also made a couple great trades getting future star players that wear near MLB ready (Dansby/Fried). Most of his miscalculations are trigger happy overreactions to common slumps and overvaluing prime players, because he doesnt realize the extra value hes trying to quantify is the consistency they bring in being a star player. While I did admire Matt Harvey in his early prime he really did a lot of stupid things. Spencer Strider, ATL. It happens, occasionally. The Braves pay their 1.66 mil per season regardless for that. Not a fan of it, but thats the way it works. Who caes about Story and Baez past anyway? Login Here. My point was that Soto would be worth at best $140M in excess value, he tried justifying the $200M by saying it was the premium for trading for a star. Spencer Strider and the Plant-Based Diet When Strider was 19, he was diagnosed with high blood pressure something rather uncommon for a young athlete. Javascript is required for the selection of a player. Get it done AA. See more salaries for 2021. If thats the key, then they failed, since theyre significantly overpaying for those arb years. Playoff team extra year. If they would have waited to sign him for two years, it wouldve made less than a $10M difference in his contracts at most, but it would have given the team an extra $20M to spend before hitting the cap. Bro thats not how it works just stick to one account. Winning always helps too. Get over it already, your team choked, you should be used to Choketober and Choketember by now. Swanson 11.2 WAR. Pads Fans spends 5 hours a day commenting from multiple accounts and STILL doesnt know how Super Two works. This new contract not only finally topples that dated mark (in decisive fashion), it also surpasses the established extension records for pitchers with two to three years of service time (Blake Snells five-year, $50MM deal) and even with three to four years of service (Sandy Alcantaras five-year, $56MM deal). Name guys that did as well as Strider. Braves dont even have enough to trade for a SS. Imagine if they wouldve locked up Soroka. Time will tell whether Max Fried and Dansby Swanson also factor into the teams long-term plans. Neither had a season as good as Strider to that point in their careers. Figuring he sets records all along the way: $1M (2023) Its amazing how many people are just totally willing to ignore the possibility of injury or decline in performance despite the dozens and dozens of examples weve seen. He would have gone there if the contract offer was higher. Strider agreed to a six-year, $75 million deal that includes a $22 million option with a $5 million buyout for 2029. TO make the math easy lets just say by 20%. They already have the best cost control in baseball. I dont always disagree w/you. Period. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors. They will likely have to beat the league-leading LA Dodgers if they want to reach the World Series. Also just stick to one account Pads Fans. Strider is represented by Frontline. vs. NYM 1.0 IP, 2 H, 0 SO, 0 BB, 1 ER, Rookie Status: I dont count him anyway as hes not exactly in his first or second year. Cole Phillips, RHP 7. Then again, I also had concerns with Baez, who has a higher degree of volatility due to his approach. Spencer Strider, RP, ATL. Yes, it would be more pricey that way, but its worth it to mitigate the good majority of the risk. 2027: $20-22M. Soroka has pitched 13 2/3 major league innings in the past 3 years, and no one knows if he will ever return to his rookie brilliance. He wouldve made around $1M per pre-arbitration year in 23 and 24, anyway. Thats more than any other team in baseball. How Much Does Spencer Strider Make? Thats worrisome! Was Strider ever partially responsible for a teammates death? Hes shown his ceiling to be so high that Im sure they wanted to lock it in place before hes outpriced himself, with another solid season. He would have extended him for 10 years/$200m. Speak for yourself. Subscribe to Stathead Baseball: Get your first month FREEYour All-Access Ticket to the Baseball Reference Database. Spencer Strider is still a rookie in the Atlanta Braves, but he's got the potential to become a professional. The rotation is so strong that 39-year-old Morton, who re-signed for one year and $20 million, could possibly. What about Georgias racist voting rights? Jared Shuster, LHP 4. Talent and stats should already give a higher floor, they arent going to double that for the Julios, Adleys, and Spencers of the world. Let them trade him to the Cardinals for Micheal Mcgreeve then if thats how you feel. Maybe MLB realizes that they werent actually racist. A pitcher with arm troubles will usually have some for of trouble again and that volatility is increased exponentially by the stature of the pitcher. 4th year $30+ MM Theyve been doing well to develop revenue streams and having them as serious generators by the time the current contract is up, and when a new one is signed, they should be up there in annual budgets (and profitability).
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